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Are these emeralds on auctionet.com genuine?
They relisted both items about an hour ago :) I wonder, is that a proof of shill bidding or the buyers were ultimately smart enough not to pay for these fake emeralds...
They relisted both items about an hour ago 🙂 I wonder, is that a proof of shill bidding or the buyers were ultimately smart enough not to pay for these fake emeralds…
See lessNatural Top Red Ruby & Fancy Sapphire 728 Cts Necklace on icollector.com auction site. How much should I bid?
FoxyFox, This price estimate, as well as the start price, is the most outrageous nonsense. Indeed, the necklace is very nice. However, it is important to note that these sapphires are diffusion treated and rubies are lead-glass filled. This is a Thai-made piece of jewelry. This is not to say that thRead more
FoxyFox,
This price estimate, as well as the start price, is the most outrageous nonsense. Indeed, the necklace is very nice. However, it is important to note that these sapphires are diffusion treated and rubies are lead-glass filled. This is a Thai-made piece of jewelry. This is not to say that there is something inherently wrong with it; it is just not worth the price. I am 99.9% confident that this necklace comes from eBay seller gemsporium or egemdiamond (actually this is one and the same seller with two accounts).
See lessI’d suggest you check out this seller. There is a pretty good chance that you will find exactly the same necklace at some point. If it is not there at the moment, it might be a good idea to contact the seller and ask him when this necklace will be in stock again.
Normally, the price of such a necklace is around $600 – $700 if you go for “buy it now”. However, if you are lucky, you can win it on an auction at a price even lower than that – $300 – $400. This is what it is actually worth, not $5700. Icollector.com business model is based on unreasonably high price estimates and start prices. In addition, they do not disclose the information on gemstone treatment. Yet another online auction site engaging in dishonest business practices.
SOLITAIRE BLACK DIAMOND STUD EARRINGS on INVALUABLE AUCTION SITE
Dear Ongesa, No doubt, these are genuine black diamonds. They have all the typical visual characteristics a black diamond would normally have. Thus, no problem with that. Let me elaborate on this further. The price is unreasonably high for this pair of earrings. This is a rather simple piece of jeweRead more
Dear Ongesa,
No doubt, these are genuine black diamonds. They have all the typical visual characteristics a black diamond would normally have. Thus, no problem with that.
See lessLet me elaborate on this further. The price is unreasonably high for this pair of earrings. This is a rather simple piece of jewelry. Color treated black diamonds are pretty cheap. It seems that the seller hasn’t mentioned anything about treatment in the description, but rest assured that they are color enhanced.
You can get black diamonds like these (or even better) at a price of $60 – $70 per 2.2 to 2.4 carat diamond (on ebay, for example). Mounting settings would cost you another $100 or so + 2 backs at roughly $ 20 per piece (this is what I found in no time; probably you could find an even better deal by investing some time).
So, let’s do the math: (70 x 2) + 100 + 40 + shipping (let’s say another $20) = $300. Mounting is very easy in this case. It should take an experienced jeweler less than 30 minutes. The cost depends on how expensive or inexpensive the jewelers in your hometown are. I’d say it’s maximum extra $50. So, the total cost would be $350.
They sold this pair of earrings for AUD 1200 on invaluable.com which translates into $ 828 + 30% buyers premium = $1076
This is something to consider, don’t you think so? 🙂 $1076 vs $350 😉
Return denied by an online auction house. Reason – private seller. What to do?
Arnold, I do understand you. This kind of situation can be really frustrating. I agree with you that the auction site should step in and facilitate the return and the refund. You mentioned that they keep the money for two weeks. Is the auction site in question Catawiki? I know that they would hold aRead more
Arnold,
I do understand you. This kind of situation can be really frustrating. I agree with you that the auction site should step in and facilitate the return and the refund. You mentioned that they keep the money for two weeks. Is the auction site in question Catawiki? I know that they would hold all the payments for two weeks. Anyways, this system is designed to boost trust in the buyers, to make them feel safer, more protected. And if it’s not working to your benefit in a situation like this, then what’s the point to have it in the first place?
See lessWhat they are saying about private sellers (non-business sellers) is true. The EU law with its right to cancel and return your order within 14 days does not apply here. However, this situation here has nothing to do with the EU law. I mean, the auction house (auction site) can have its own policy in place in order to protect its customers. It wouldn’t be against any law to expand this coverage so that private sellers’ customers are equally protected. And that would be very easy to do as long as the money is still in their account. So, there is no excuse for them not to do that. Except that they are not interested in that. It is bad for the business, I mean. They would rather earn their commission on this sale, and you are left with all the losses.
So, I would suggest you try to convince them that it is their obligation to step in and to protect your lawful interests. However, if it is already too late (they don’t have your money any longer), or you do not succeed in convincing them, here are a few things I’d suggest you give a try:
1. Check whether this seller is selling a lot of items. I mean, does it look like he/she is selling personal belongings from time to time or is it rather a business activity aimed at gaining profit? A lot of private sellers are not really private sellers within the meaning of the law. They are selling a large number of items on a regular basis and for profit. As a rule of thumb, they are not paying taxes. So, it might be a good idea to tell them that if they wouldn’t go for a refund, you might contact their tax authorities and pass on the information concerning tax evasion. I think this is by far the best approach. It has helped me several times actually.
2. Tell the seller that you would contact the police. As you rightfully noted, it can be regarded as fraud if there are serious discrepancies between the description/images and the actual goods. If the seller was from China, this wouldn’t help, but as the seller in question is from the EU, there is a pretty good chance he might reconsider his position.
3. Tell them that you have a powerful blog (e.g. for collectors of antique furniture) with millions of monthly visitors and you will start writing about them if you don’t get your refund. Tell them that in the long run this would hurt them much more than this single refund.
Let me know how did it go!
Are these emeralds on auctionet.com genuine?
Dear Igi, No, these two are dyed and fracture filled quartz. I know, it is hard to imagine that anything could be more worthless than dyed beryl but these two actually are :) So, Garpenhus Auktioner are liars and fraudsters. And auctionet.com are no better if they allow things like this to happen. IRead more
Dear Igi,
No, these two are dyed and fracture filled quartz. I know, it is hard to imagine that anything could be more worthless than dyed beryl but these two actually are 🙂
See lessSo, Garpenhus Auktioner are liars and fraudsters. And auctionet.com are no better if they allow things like this to happen.
It would be interesting to find out who is in charge of these estimates? Is it auctionet.com (the site) or Garpenhus Auktioner (the seller)? It is obvious that a genuine emerald of 7.07 or 11.6 carats could never be given such a low estimate of EUR 268. So, the one who is in charge of these estimates, knows that this is a fake.
If anyone here knows who is in charge of the valuations on auctionet.com, please share this info!
12.25 CT GGL CERTIFICATE UNHEATED EMERALD RING 925: eBay
First of all, I would like to say that I agree with everything @Anna has said here. I have bought several "gemstones" with GGL certificates, and they all turned out to be cheap fakes. But I also want to share an interesting experience I have had with eBay's feedback scores. A few years ago I neededRead more
First of all, I would like to say that I agree with everything Anna has said here. I have bought several “gemstones” with GGL certificates, and they all turned out to be cheap fakes.
See lessBut I also want to share an interesting experience I have had with eBay’s feedback scores. A few years ago I needed three small diamonds for a piece of jewelry that I wanted to be made for me. I found these accent stones at a decent price and quality on eBay. I believe the seller was from Hong Kong or Singapore (don’t remember exactly). The seller had a few hundred unique feedback and it was 100% positive. So, I had no reason not to trust him. I ordered the diamonds, paid for them, and after several weeks received the parcel. From the very start, they did not look right. I have seen and held in my hand many diamonds, but these ones simply didn’t look right. I tested them with my diamond tester – no reaction. Brought them to a lab and it turned out to be glass. If a seller decides to cheat me, I would expect to receive moissanite or some sort of crystal in the worst-case scenario. Really, glass?! I was shocked! 100% positive feedback and they send me worthless glass!
Anyways, after lengthy arguments, I was able to return the purchased items and received a full refund. Of course, I wanted to warn other potential buyers about such dishonest and outrageous practices. So, I left negative feedback. No explicit or offensive language, no swearing or anything. Just mentioned that I bought diamonds, received glass instead, it was testified by an official, trustworthy lab, be aware. So, everything was in line with eBay’s policies.
After a month or so I recalled this incident and decided to check upon this seller’s feedback – isn’t there more negative feedback from other scam victims. What a surprise! The seller had 100% positive feedback again, and my feedback had disappeared. I wrote an e-mail to eBay asking to explain what was the reason for deleting my feedback. They never bothered to reply. Then I understood that eBay’s feedback scores have to be taken with a grain of salt. I still do pay attention to them but I always remember this experience I had.
Emerald necklace – Catawiki auction
@Anna is absolutely right on this - it is dyed beryl. This is the way it goes - they (manufacturers of these items) take low-quality beryl (usually white) and dye it with green color. When it is dyed, it is impossible to tell what the initial color was. Now it is green and it is beryl. As you may knRead more
Anna is absolutely right on this – it is dyed beryl. This is the way it goes – they (manufacturers of these items) take low-quality beryl (usually white) and dye it with green color. When it is dyed, it is impossible to tell what the initial color was. Now it is green and it is beryl. As you may know, green beryl is called emerald. However, not when it is dyed. They can call it whatever they want, but it is nothing more than cheap, dyed beryl after all.
See lessWhat amazes me is that Catawiki’s “experts” keep on accepting and listing these items for years. And they allow labeling these items as emerald necklaces, bracelets, etc. Could it be that they don’t know what it is? Possibly, but then they are no experts. Could it be that they do know what it is? Possibly, but then they are fraudsters.
This listing made me laugh. Through the tiers, though. Catawiki auction site proudly presents itself as listing only unique and special objects. They say they have professional experts vetting every submitted item. They say all the auctions are supervised by a notary public. And they do not allow to use stock images in the listings. What a shame! What a shame when you compare their words and actions! Here is the original listing of this item on eBay (with the same images :)): https://www.ebay.com/itm/Green-Emerald-1161-50-Cts-Earth-Mined-4-Strand-Round-Shape-Beads-Necklace-Rare/362439204534? (just in case this listing gets removed by eBay, I attach the screenshot here, too).
So, to cut the long story short, I am happy for you, Martin65, that you didn’t bid on this item. I have no intention to say that everything is fake and bad on Catawiki, but you have to exercise due care because most of their “experts” are good for nothing. Or they are instructed to close their eyes to many things. Who knows…
12.25 CT GGL CERTIFICATE UNHEATED EMERALD RING 925: eBay
It is very much right what you noted about simulated diamonds. No reasonable person would set a real emerald and simulated diamonds in the same setting. This is definitely not an emerald. That's for sure. It is a bit difficult to tell from the images whether it is a dyed beryl or a dyed quartz. LookRead more
It is very much right what you noted about simulated diamonds. No reasonable person would set a real emerald and simulated diamonds in the same setting. This is definitely not an emerald. That’s for sure. It is a bit difficult to tell from the images whether it is a dyed beryl or a dyed quartz. Looks like beryl to me (quartz is usually lighter in color and the color-concentration zones are more pronounced).
See lessAs far as GGL “certificates” are concerned, if you see a gemstone with a GGL certificate, it is a red flag by itself. Every single “gemstone” I have seen with a GGL certificate so far has been a fake. So, it is no real certificate.
So, I would say that a Thai or Indian-made silver ring with a dyed beryl and simulated diamonds would cost around $15 – $30 on eBay (ok, maybe $40 if it’s supernice).
Emerald necklace – Catawiki auction
Dear Martin, I registered here to answer your question :) Good for you that you didn't bid on this necklace. It is not emerald but dyed beryl. These necklaces are really nothing special, they are made in India, and are very cheap. 150 EUR is way toooo much for it. I hope this helps ;)
Dear Martin,
See lessI registered here to answer your question 🙂 Good for you that you didn’t bid on this necklace. It is not emerald but dyed beryl. These necklaces are really nothing special, they are made in India, and are very cheap. 150 EUR is way toooo much for it. I hope this helps 😉